Comments on: Don’t play the ‘blame game’ http://www.timesdelphic.com/2010/02/07/don%e2%80%99t-play-the-%e2%80%98blame-game%e2%80%99 Drake University - News, Sports, Information Tue, 22 Jun 2010 06:48:58 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Aaron Harrison http://www.timesdelphic.com/2010/02/07/don%e2%80%99t-play-the-%e2%80%98blame-game%e2%80%99/comment-page-1#comment-2758 Aaron Harrison Sun, 21 Mar 2010 22:17:02 +0000 http://www.timesdelphic.com/?p=2627#comment-2758 If we can waste a couple of thousand dollars on a website that doesn't exist (looking at you, Rainbow Union) then I'm sure we can have a few extra shifts at SLC, if we just spend money wisely. We don't even necessarily need a set number of programs in Olmsted. Just a place to be can sometimes be enough. If people are dumb enough to bring alcohol on campus, then they deserve to be expelled. Your questions are rather irrelevant. I'm actively giving solutions to very real problems on campus, and the only thing you can do is be stubborn about it and make boisterous claims about me and that solves nothing. Why don't you give me a few solutions for this rape problem? You can't tell me you wouldn't do something about the alcohol consumption problems. If we can waste a couple of thousand dollars on a website that doesn’t exist (looking at you, Rainbow Union) then I’m sure we can have a few extra shifts at SLC, if we just spend money wisely. We don’t even necessarily need a set number of programs in Olmsted. Just a place to be can sometimes be enough. If people are dumb enough to bring alcohol on campus, then they deserve to be expelled. Your questions are rather irrelevant. I’m actively giving solutions to very real problems on campus, and the only thing you can do is be stubborn about it and make boisterous claims about me and that solves nothing. Why don’t you give me a few solutions for this rape problem? You can’t tell me you wouldn’t do something about the alcohol consumption problems.

]]> By: Anon http://www.timesdelphic.com/2010/02/07/don%e2%80%99t-play-the-%e2%80%98blame-game%e2%80%99/comment-page-1#comment-2694 Anon Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:34:08 +0000 http://www.timesdelphic.com/?p=2627#comment-2694 I should not have had to ask for other solutions. And your "solutions" present even more problems.... Where is the money going to come from to keep services in Olmsted going 24 hours since you do have to pay people that work? And how are you going to stop people from bringing alcohol into Olmsted and drinking a mixed drink from a nalgene or other sort of inconspicuous bottle? Who are you going to get to run these programs? What would these programs be that people would actually want to go to them instead of drinking? How are these programs going to be paid for? If your answers involving raising fees on students, think again. I should not have had to ask for other solutions. And your “solutions” present even more problems….

Where is the money going to come from to keep services in Olmsted going 24 hours since you do have to pay people that work? And how are you going to stop people from bringing alcohol into Olmsted and drinking a mixed drink from a nalgene or other sort of inconspicuous bottle?

Who are you going to get to run these programs? What would these programs be that people would actually want to go to them instead of drinking? How are these programs going to be paid for?

If your answers involving raising fees on students, think again.

]]> By: Aaron Harrison http://www.timesdelphic.com/2010/02/07/don%e2%80%99t-play-the-%e2%80%98blame-game%e2%80%99/comment-page-1#comment-2679 Aaron Harrison Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:15:00 +0000 http://www.timesdelphic.com/?p=2627#comment-2679 Other solutions? Why, I thought you'd never ask. If I had my say, not only would alcohol be banned, but Olmsted would be open 24 hours a day. It would give students a place to be that's not particularly dangerous. The thing is, we need to give students a reason not to break an anti-alcohol law. Because, if we didn't, they totally would. Alcohol banning would be the first step. Expanding campus programs and services would be the second. A lot of people seem to think Drake is it's own little universe where nothing bad can happen. Why can't we try to make that a reality? Other solutions? Why, I thought you’d never ask. If I had my say, not only would alcohol be banned, but Olmsted would be open 24 hours a day. It would give students a place to be that’s not particularly dangerous. The thing is, we need to give students a reason not to break an anti-alcohol law. Because, if we didn’t, they totally would. Alcohol banning would be the first step. Expanding campus programs and services would be the second. A lot of people seem to think Drake is it’s own little universe where nothing bad can happen. Why can’t we try to make that a reality?

]]> By: Anon http://www.timesdelphic.com/2010/02/07/don%e2%80%99t-play-the-%e2%80%98blame-game%e2%80%99/comment-page-1#comment-2670 Anon Mon, 08 Mar 2010 13:40:49 +0000 http://www.timesdelphic.com/?p=2627#comment-2670 So what other solutions do you propose, other than trying to ban alcohol on campus? So what other solutions do you propose, other than trying to ban alcohol on campus?

]]> By: Aaron Harrison http://www.timesdelphic.com/2010/02/07/don%e2%80%99t-play-the-%e2%80%98blame-game%e2%80%99/comment-page-1#comment-2662 Aaron Harrison Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:23:22 +0000 http://www.timesdelphic.com/?p=2627#comment-2662 I'm just responding to what you said, Anon. And, I still have yet to see how I'm wrong when I say alcohol is, at the very least, a cause of the problem. The article shows one example of someone allegedly getting away with a crime. For all we know, this has not happened here. I'm wary to let it in to the conversation, because we don't know if the attacker in any of the cases is still here. Also, that article is really poorly written and blatantly one-sided. I'm not really sure we need such a flimsy piece of evidence in this debate. Also, I've already discussed the article with De. You brought it up again, and I responded to you about it. No need to get offended. I’m just responding to what you said, Anon. And, I still have yet to see how I’m wrong when I say alcohol is, at the very least, a cause of the problem.
The article shows one example of someone allegedly getting away with a crime. For all we know, this has not happened here. I’m wary to let it in to the conversation, because we don’t know if the attacker in any of the cases is still here. Also, that article is really poorly written and blatantly one-sided. I’m not really sure we need such a flimsy piece of evidence in this debate.
Also, I’ve already discussed the article with De. You brought it up again, and I responded to you about it. No need to get offended.

]]> By: Anon http://www.timesdelphic.com/2010/02/07/don%e2%80%99t-play-the-%e2%80%98blame-game%e2%80%99/comment-page-1#comment-2640 Anon Fri, 05 Mar 2010 00:30:37 +0000 http://www.timesdelphic.com/?p=2627#comment-2640 Now who wants to get into semantics? By problems, I meant criminal problems, since sexual assault is a criminal act. And I do think you primarily blame the alcohol since your first and only solution to the problem is banning all alcohol on campus. How does the article have little bearing? Perpetrators of sexual assault are not always punished to the full extent (if any). And if the perpetrator isn't punished the law doesn't do its job, leaving the victim helpless. Funny how you'll tell me after I've read the article that it has little bearing on our argument, but you say nothing of the sorts to the person posting it. Now who wants to get into semantics? By problems, I meant criminal problems, since sexual assault is a criminal act.

And I do think you primarily blame the alcohol since your first and only solution to the problem is banning all alcohol on campus.

How does the article have little bearing? Perpetrators of sexual assault are not always punished to the full extent (if any). And if the perpetrator isn’t punished the law doesn’t do its job, leaving the victim helpless.

Funny how you’ll tell me after I’ve read the article that it has little bearing on our argument, but you say nothing of the sorts to the person posting it.

]]> By: Aaron Harrison http://www.timesdelphic.com/2010/02/07/don%e2%80%99t-play-the-%e2%80%98blame-game%e2%80%99/comment-page-1#comment-2626 Aaron Harrison Wed, 03 Mar 2010 01:48:39 +0000 http://www.timesdelphic.com/?p=2627#comment-2626 Anon: I'm pretty sure I never said alcohol was not the prime cause of all the problems in the world. I said it was a factor in these assaults and I said it led to crime, sure. But, I never said want you just said. I did read the article, and it seems to be an unfortunate incident. However, it really has little bearing on our argument. Anon: I’m pretty sure I never said alcohol was not the prime cause of all the problems in the world. I said it was a factor in these assaults and I said it led to crime, sure. But, I never said want you just said.
I did read the article, and it seems to be an unfortunate incident. However, it really has little bearing on our argument.

]]> By: Anon http://www.timesdelphic.com/2010/02/07/don%e2%80%99t-play-the-%e2%80%98blame-game%e2%80%99/comment-page-1#comment-2606 Anon Mon, 01 Mar 2010 13:47:13 +0000 http://www.timesdelphic.com/?p=2627#comment-2606 Alcohol is not the cause of all problems. And the fact that you think alcohol is the cause is ignorant on your part. And yes, thankfully you and I are not on the task force. Because you would be focusing on alcohol and not the bigger picture of safety on campus. I'm pretty sure even dry campuses have crime issues. I also read the article De posted. And if you read it, you would have seen that the attacker had previously committed assaults on other students and the system (campus and local law enforcement) failed to keep a threat off the campus. Alcohol is not the cause of all problems. And the fact that you think alcohol is the cause is ignorant on your part.

And yes, thankfully you and I are not on the task force. Because you would be focusing on alcohol and not the bigger picture of safety on campus. I’m pretty sure even dry campuses have crime issues.

I also read the article De posted. And if you read it, you would have seen that the attacker had previously committed assaults on other students and the system (campus and local law enforcement) failed to keep a threat off the campus.

]]> By: Aaron Harrison http://www.timesdelphic.com/2010/02/07/don%e2%80%99t-play-the-%e2%80%98blame-game%e2%80%99/comment-page-1#comment-2603 Aaron Harrison Mon, 01 Mar 2010 01:04:34 +0000 http://www.timesdelphic.com/?p=2627#comment-2603 Anon: I fail to see how I'm wrong and I similarly fail to see how you even disagree with me. We all know that alcohol is the cause of the problems. When a person drinks in excess, it makes them vulnerable. This is truth. De's link essentially proves that. If you are vulnerable, then you are more likely to have a crime committed against you. It is an accurate statement. You are talking as if you are 100% sure about the mental state of both victims and attackers. That is generalizing, and will not solve problems. I think the hypothetical situation proves my point. This is exactly what I said would happen if we got into a debate about blame. We would go back and forth and nothing would be solved. Thankfully, this is not the a task force meeting. I will say this again, because apparently I am being unclear. EVERYONE has to take their share of the blame for these last assaults. The victims drank too much. That is their fault. The attacker attacked them. That is the attacker's fault. The establishments gave them alcohol. That is the establishment's fault. I can't speculate very much on the feelings of the victims, and I refuse to use them for my own personal agenda. If they choose to not come forward and accuse their attackers, that is their fault as well. We live in a world where people are supposed to take responsibility for their actions. You are creating an environment where the victim can just go about their merry way without having learned any lesson. That is far more dangerous than anything I have said. De-Thanks for the information. This is what is most unfortunate about assault cases. There is rarely enough evidence to convict. It is sad, but if a victim is coherent enough to go immediately to the police, they should do so. But, see what I have said above, and consider both sides. Anon: I fail to see how I’m wrong and I similarly fail to see how you even disagree with me. We all know that alcohol is the cause of the problems. When a person drinks in excess, it makes them vulnerable. This is truth. De’s link essentially proves that. If you are vulnerable, then you are more likely to have a crime committed against you. It is an accurate statement.
You are talking as if you are 100% sure about the mental state of both victims and attackers. That is generalizing, and will not solve problems.
I think the hypothetical situation proves my point. This is exactly what I said would happen if we got into a debate about blame. We would go back and forth and nothing would be solved. Thankfully, this is not the a task force meeting.
I will say this again, because apparently I am being unclear. EVERYONE has to take their share of the blame for these last assaults. The victims drank too much. That is their fault. The attacker attacked them. That is the attacker’s fault. The establishments gave them alcohol. That is the establishment’s fault. I can’t speculate very much on the feelings of the victims, and I refuse to use them for my own personal agenda. If they choose to not come forward and accuse their attackers, that is their fault as well. We live in a world where people are supposed to take responsibility for their actions. You are creating an environment where the victim can just go about their merry way without having learned any lesson. That is far more dangerous than anything I have said.

De-Thanks for the information. This is what is most unfortunate about assault cases. There is rarely enough evidence to convict. It is sad, but if a victim is coherent enough to go immediately to the police, they should do so. But, see what I have said above, and consider both sides.

]]> By: De http://www.timesdelphic.com/2010/02/07/don%e2%80%99t-play-the-%e2%80%98blame-game%e2%80%99/comment-page-1#comment-2588 De Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:02:37 +0000 http://www.timesdelphic.com/?p=2627#comment-2588 Aaron, read this- http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124052847&ft=1&f=1003 Aaron, read this- http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124052847&ft=1&f=1003

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