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		<title>By: [CR] Week in Review &#124; Top Legal News</title>
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		<description>[...] for the Times-Delphic at Drake University have covered the story of a first-year student who narrowly avoided tragedy when his friends realized that he had consumed too much alcohol and sought medical assistance. The [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Choose Responsibility Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; [CR] Week in Review</title>
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		<dc:creator>Choose Responsibility Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; [CR] Week in Review</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for the Times-Delphic at Drake University have covered the story of a first-year student who narrowly avoided tragedy when his friends realized that he had consumed too much alcohol and sought medical assistance. The [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.timesdelphic.com/2009/11/09/student-hospitalized-for-alcohol-poisoning/comment-page-1#comment-970</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, I don&#039;t think anybody would argue Nate is partially responsible too, but the primary fault is not in the victim. It is in the fraternity brothers who hazed him, and are supposed to be responsible representatives of the fraternity. And I know you didn&#039;t join a frat because you clearly don&#039;t understand the bond of being a brother. To become a brother is to trust your brothers to keep you safe, and that is what he was doing. He can be held responsible for choosing to drink, but he was told to trust his brothers to keep him safe. While I&#039;m sure they didn&#039;t want it to go this way and didn&#039;t want him to get hurt, they still displayed poor judgment and the brotherly care a frat should display.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, I don&#8217;t think anybody would argue Nate is partially responsible too, but the primary fault is not in the victim. It is in the fraternity brothers who hazed him, and are supposed to be responsible representatives of the fraternity. And I know you didn&#8217;t join a frat because you clearly don&#8217;t understand the bond of being a brother. To become a brother is to trust your brothers to keep you safe, and that is what he was doing. He can be held responsible for choosing to drink, but he was told to trust his brothers to keep him safe. While I&#8217;m sure they didn&#8217;t want it to go this way and didn&#8217;t want him to get hurt, they still displayed poor judgment and the brotherly care a frat should display.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.timesdelphic.com/2009/11/09/student-hospitalized-for-alcohol-poisoning/comment-page-1#comment-963</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless the frat members were physically holding this kid&#039;s mouth open and pouring the drinks down, the primary fault here rests with Nate. 

I&#039;m a Drake grad (JO&#039; 96) and did not join a frat while there. I don&#039;t understand the mentality Nate displayed here, that the need to belong is so strong that he was willing to knowingly put his life in jeopardy. Is the desire to be called a brother really that all-encompassing? Sure, the guys who conducted this little exercise are stupid and partially responsible, but come on... Nate&#039;s big enough to be away at college, he should be big enough to display at least a hint of common sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless the frat members were physically holding this kid&#8217;s mouth open and pouring the drinks down, the primary fault here rests with Nate. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a Drake grad (JO&#8217; 96) and did not join a frat while there. I don&#8217;t understand the mentality Nate displayed here, that the need to belong is so strong that he was willing to knowingly put his life in jeopardy. Is the desire to be called a brother really that all-encompassing? Sure, the guys who conducted this little exercise are stupid and partially responsible, but come on&#8230; Nate&#8217;s big enough to be away at college, he should be big enough to display at least a hint of common sense.</p>
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		<title>By: YITB</title>
		<link>http://www.timesdelphic.com/2009/11/09/student-hospitalized-for-alcohol-poisoning/comment-page-1#comment-960</link>
		<dc:creator>YITB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;get real here. phi delt is the shadiest and the worst on campus. theyre all like that. and the carter is so they dont get caught drinking in the frat house, although they smoke illegal drugs in there. get real drake! get rid of the chapter and let drake get rid of a lazy, bad frat.&quot;

This makes me sick.  Clearly you have no involvement or familiarity with what the greek systems stands for.  You pass judgement based solely on your &quot;frat stereotypes&quot;.  Is drinking part of the greek system.  Unfortunately in many cases yes.  I can argue that the collegiate experience in general, greek or non-greek, involves drinking and risky activities.  We all make choices, good or bad.  

It is a time in life where you are faced with mounting pressures and decisions.  A period of growth and developing maturity.  I do not see the point of degrading the greek system, specifically Phi Delta Theta, for the mistakes which were made here.  Punishment to those involved and fair judgment are in order.  Believe me when I say the national fraternity will come down on the chapter very hard, with possible charter revocation.  Hopefully it will not come to that, but Phi Delt will no doubt be under the microscope for quite some time due to these unfortunate events.

There are bad eggs in every fraternity and sorority just like there are bad eggs in every residence hall.  Guess what, there are bad eggs in life too.  It does not go away when you enter the real world.  It is part of life and we learn to deal with them.  Ease off on your greek bashing and lets let the proper authorities and those involved sort things out and appropriate punishments dealt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;get real here. phi delt is the shadiest and the worst on campus. theyre all like that. and the carter is so they dont get caught drinking in the frat house, although they smoke illegal drugs in there. get real drake! get rid of the chapter and let drake get rid of a lazy, bad frat.&#8221;</p>
<p>This makes me sick.  Clearly you have no involvement or familiarity with what the greek systems stands for.  You pass judgement based solely on your &#8220;frat stereotypes&#8221;.  Is drinking part of the greek system.  Unfortunately in many cases yes.  I can argue that the collegiate experience in general, greek or non-greek, involves drinking and risky activities.  We all make choices, good or bad.  </p>
<p>It is a time in life where you are faced with mounting pressures and decisions.  A period of growth and developing maturity.  I do not see the point of degrading the greek system, specifically Phi Delta Theta, for the mistakes which were made here.  Punishment to those involved and fair judgment are in order.  Believe me when I say the national fraternity will come down on the chapter very hard, with possible charter revocation.  Hopefully it will not come to that, but Phi Delt will no doubt be under the microscope for quite some time due to these unfortunate events.</p>
<p>There are bad eggs in every fraternity and sorority just like there are bad eggs in every residence hall.  Guess what, there are bad eggs in life too.  It does not go away when you enter the real world.  It is part of life and we learn to deal with them.  Ease off on your greek bashing and lets let the proper authorities and those involved sort things out and appropriate punishments dealt.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may not be an excuse, it may be the truth but you&#039;re belittling the fact that they broke state, university, and fraternal policies and laws. The reason we pass judgeship on Otto and Hatchett is because they were supposed to be the responsible adults. They may be in college, but they are adults, they are held accountable for their actions. I don&#039;t have a problem with either of them, they are nice guys, but they do deserve to be punished and judged, they put it on themselves. And whether or not this could happen on any campus with any student (which it does), is irrelevant. It happened here, and they knew what they were doing prior to doing it. They knew the risks involved, and they knew the consequences. This is college Holly, and whether you like it or not, it&#039;s the adult world, and in the real world when you mess up, you don&#039;t get to walk away from it free, and they shouldn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may not be an excuse, it may be the truth but you&#8217;re belittling the fact that they broke state, university, and fraternal policies and laws. The reason we pass judgeship on Otto and Hatchett is because they were supposed to be the responsible adults. They may be in college, but they are adults, they are held accountable for their actions. I don&#8217;t have a problem with either of them, they are nice guys, but they do deserve to be punished and judged, they put it on themselves. And whether or not this could happen on any campus with any student (which it does), is irrelevant. It happened here, and they knew what they were doing prior to doing it. They knew the risks involved, and they knew the consequences. This is college Holly, and whether you like it or not, it&#8217;s the adult world, and in the real world when you mess up, you don&#8217;t get to walk away from it free, and they shouldn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Holly</title>
		<link>http://www.timesdelphic.com/2009/11/09/student-hospitalized-for-alcohol-poisoning/comment-page-1#comment-933</link>
		<dc:creator>Holly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drew-B, this could have been ANY student--Greek or not--on this campus, or any campus across America. We also don&#039;t know the kind of student or person the victim in this situation is, and we&#039;re all quick to pass judgment that falls in his favor over Otto and Hatchett. 
The entire situation was idiotic. People do stupid things. People make mistakes. They&#039;re in COLLEGE. It&#039;s not an excuse, it&#039;s the truth. But that makes them no less human, no less deserving of a fair chance to live the rest of their lives normally or, god forbid, just finish their education.

So let&#039;s just say again that yes, thank god no one died, and let the administration and proper authorities handle this in whatever way they see fit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drew-B, this could have been ANY student&#8211;Greek or not&#8211;on this campus, or any campus across America. We also don&#8217;t know the kind of student or person the victim in this situation is, and we&#8217;re all quick to pass judgment that falls in his favor over Otto and Hatchett.<br />
The entire situation was idiotic. People do stupid things. People make mistakes. They&#8217;re in COLLEGE. It&#8217;s not an excuse, it&#8217;s the truth. But that makes them no less human, no less deserving of a fair chance to live the rest of their lives normally or, god forbid, just finish their education.</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s just say again that yes, thank god no one died, and let the administration and proper authorities handle this in whatever way they see fit.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
		<link>http://www.timesdelphic.com/2009/11/09/student-hospitalized-for-alcohol-poisoning/comment-page-1#comment-930</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“get real here. phi delt is the shadiest and the worst on campus. theyre all like that. and the carter is so they dont get caught drinking in the frat house, although they smoke illegal drugs in there. get real drake! get rid of the chapter and let drake get rid of a lazy, bad frat.

This generalization is completely biased and unfair to the men of Phi Delta Theta. You cannot judge all members based on the actions of a few. These types of behaviors may or may not only happen within this particular house – this incident could he facing any house. Let us all learn from it and let the proper administrations make the best possible decision.&quot;

No, but we can judge them by their chosen representatives. Look who they have for a President. Nate Pastorik has been accused of a wide variety of shady activity. He was picked up on a public intox this past year and is currently on probation for a criminal mischief charge. 
(see Iowa Courts Online)
So, he&#039;s the President of this frat. The Phi Delts chose him to represent their house. Should we be surprised by the events that have transpired?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“get real here. phi delt is the shadiest and the worst on campus. theyre all like that. and the carter is so they dont get caught drinking in the frat house, although they smoke illegal drugs in there. get real drake! get rid of the chapter and let drake get rid of a lazy, bad frat.</p>
<p>This generalization is completely biased and unfair to the men of Phi Delta Theta. You cannot judge all members based on the actions of a few. These types of behaviors may or may not only happen within this particular house – this incident could he facing any house. Let us all learn from it and let the proper administrations make the best possible decision.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, but we can judge them by their chosen representatives. Look who they have for a President. Nate Pastorik has been accused of a wide variety of shady activity. He was picked up on a public intox this past year and is currently on probation for a criminal mischief charge.<br />
(see Iowa Courts Online)<br />
So, he&#8217;s the President of this frat. The Phi Delts chose him to represent their house. Should we be surprised by the events that have transpired?</p>
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		<title>By: Student</title>
		<link>http://www.timesdelphic.com/2009/11/09/student-hospitalized-for-alcohol-poisoning/comment-page-1#comment-917</link>
		<dc:creator>Student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;get real here. phi delt is the shadiest and the worst on campus. theyre all like that. and the carter is so they dont get caught drinking in the frat house, although they smoke illegal drugs in there. get real drake! get rid of the chapter and let drake get rid of a lazy, bad frat.&quot;

This generalization is completely biased and unfair to the men of Phi Delta Theta. You cannot judge all members based on the actions of a few. These types of behaviors may or may not only happen within this particular house - this incident could he facing any house. Let us all learn from it and let the proper administrations make the best possible decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;get real here. phi delt is the shadiest and the worst on campus. theyre all like that. and the carter is so they dont get caught drinking in the frat house, although they smoke illegal drugs in there. get real drake! get rid of the chapter and let drake get rid of a lazy, bad frat.&#8221;</p>
<p>This generalization is completely biased and unfair to the men of Phi Delta Theta. You cannot judge all members based on the actions of a few. These types of behaviors may or may not only happen within this particular house &#8211; this incident could he facing any house. Let us all learn from it and let the proper administrations make the best possible decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew-B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew-B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they were good students you&#039;d think they would have realized how amazingly idiotic and irresponsible it was to encourage a pledge to drink full cups of Everclear. I mean, seriously? Full cups of Everclear? It&#039;s incredibly lucky this kid is not dead. Good students my ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they were good students you&#8217;d think they would have realized how amazingly idiotic and irresponsible it was to encourage a pledge to drink full cups of Everclear. I mean, seriously? Full cups of Everclear? It&#8217;s incredibly lucky this kid is not dead. Good students my ass.</p>
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